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While reading your letters I saw that you were interested in being corrected about incorrect information on your web sight. While I have not and do not have time to read the entire sight and send corrections I thought that I would review what I considered to be the most incorect page. I have attached a word document with some questions regarding your page and some comments on incorrect material. I am giving you the benifit of the doubt that you will be different from most anti-mormons and acctually respond to me. at the very least I would appreciate a letter in repy simply telling me that you will not be reviewing my letter. IF you do not have word, then please let me know and I will send you a copy in a different format. If you do use my information and acctually change your sight then I would be willing to review the entire sight for mistakes and missinformations. I appreciate you time and hope that you are legitimently willing to correct your errors. I have included no testemony bearing because i don't want to waste your time. I hope that you will be as kind and use this information so that I can know I didn't waste my time. Thank you, A Mormon A reply |
The Moon
Mormons believe that human beings
inhabit the Moon. I’m
Mormon and I have never been taught this! However, it is difficult
to disprove the theory seeing as how only a small percentage of the
moon’s
surface has been explored. The
Mormon Seer and Revelator, Brigham Young, for whom a University is named,
revealed in 1880, that the Mormon MOON-MEN were similar to earthlings,
except that they are much taller. Moon-men, Young teaches us, dress
like Quakers. Brigham Young -- in a vision -- had visited the inhabitants on the far side of the Moon...
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Our great Mormon apostle, the late Bruce R. McConkie, reminds us that in Mormon theology God created "worlds without number". He also reminds us that Mormons believe that "there live aliens on other planets unknown to us". Is this a quote from you or McConkie. If he really said such a thing then I would appreciate a reference. The fact is I have heard stories of members being excommunicated for teaching similar things. I doubt that either is accurate. McConkie tells us that these planets are "inhabited by male and female humanoids who are redeemed with immortality and offered eternal life through the power of Heavenly Father." See the above comment about Quotes.
The Planet KOLOB
Mormon Theologians
agree that God lives on a distant planet, the planet KOLOB. It is near unto God. Never does
it say that he lives there. It's
located in the constellation Cancer, sector 2813.
As a Mormon I think that if we knew where Kolob was I would have heard
about it before you. Kolob
means "the first creation" -- which is "nearest
to the celestial, or the residence of God", as McConkie assures
us.
"Our scriptures say that God told Moses only about this planet," said LDS apostle Neal A. Maxwell in a recent television interview. "But we're not worshiping a one-planet God." (Salt Lake Tribune Aug 1996 Vol. 252 No. 118)
We believe that Mormonism is an outer-space-oriented religion. Who believes that Mormonism is an outer-space-oriented religion? Mormons believe that it is a Jesus Christ oriented religion. One of our Scriptures state -- as far it has been translated correctly
" And thus there shall be the reckoning of the time of one planet Book of Abraham Translation by Prophet Joseph Smith, from hieroglyphics on papyrus (Facsimile 1) |
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Until recently, the star which Kolob orbits has not been known. In late 1999, Mormon astronomers at Brigham Young University, using the Hubble telescope, obtained faint images of this star, which they tentatively named Kakistocra-99b2.* If they found the star I think that as a Mormon I would have heard about it. It turns out that Kakistocra falls squarely just next to our sun on the famous Hertzsprung-Russell diagram of stellar evolution. [Kakistocra is a G2.5 type star.] Image of
Kakistocra-77b2
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This lends further support to the Mormon claim that Kolob is an Earth-like planet, just one of Elohim's "worlds without number (Other authorities disagree: Isaiah 30:26). As the Mormon apostle Maxwell puts it, "There are other humanoids on other planets unknown to us." When did Maxwell say this?
Unfortunately, the planet Kolob itself has not yet been imaged. Plans are underway by BYU astronomers, using the new three meter active optics telescope on the summit of Mauna Kea in Hawaii, to image this star in the infrared spectrum.
The Voyager space craft which was launched many years ago, and which is heading out into the interstellar medium, is by coincidence heading in the direction of the star Kakistocra. It will, in the year A.D. 2882900, approach the Kakistocra system in sector 2812, within about 300,000 kilometers.
This is a flea's hop on the cosmological scale! It's so close, it would be a bit like hearing the airline pilot announce "Our flight today will take us by the city of Salt Lake, 3 inches away from it." Cosmic Coincidence?
Perhaps Jesus-Jehovah, or one of the angels or some alien astronaut, as yet unhatched and living on his planet of pre-existence, will intercept Voyager. Perhaps the Golden Phonograph Record, which is on board of Voyager will at some distant future day be played on a celestial phonograph! The church has told us, that because of divine revelation, it has asked NASA to engrave on this Golden Platter, a cut from the Mormon Tabernacle's rendition of "When I Hie to Kolob". I seriously doubt this. And if it be true than why not. After all the Mormon Tabernacle Choir is one of the most talented and famous choirs in the world. And what song would be better suited for a space flight? Such possibilities are enough to make one think!
Space
aliens? Link: A Video
Any
one who looks to The God Makers as an accurate source of information
on Mormons might as well ask a fish on the bottom of the ocean. It
would be able to give more accurate information. Even most anti-Mormons
consider the God Makers to be an outrageous lie. If you really did
do research on Mormon theology you would know that this movie and the
book it was based on where a pile of Crap.
Space aliens? Link: A Video The church teaches that everything starts on the Star-Base Kolob from whence we came, and everything will end on Kolob to which we shall return if we are worthy. I don’t recall that teaching. We can return to the presence of our gods Our GOD for we only have one God.-- the Heavenly Father, his first wife, Mother Gonhorra, We have no evidence that God has more than one wife and we do not know the name of his wife or wives whatever the case may be. and the Other Wives. We'll return to the presence of Jesus, who is also Jehovah -- the Bible is wrong about this. The Bible is wrong about what? We believe we are actually what is nowadays called "space aliens". Once again who is the we that believes this stuff. It certainly is not the Mormon Church.
In fact, dear reader, YOU too, are a space alien because you arrived on our beautiful blue island in the sky directly from the planet Kolob. [Another space alien.]
The Bible teaches us (Genesis 6.4) that even today, God's sons travel to earth from the planet Kolob, to have sex with mormon women. Does it really teach that. I don’t remember anything about Mormon women having sex with anyone other than their husbands. I think that the sons of god means righteous men.
With faster propulsion systems, and with the desire to do so, it would be possible for space craft from Earth to reach the planet Kolob much sooner.
The Other Mormon Planets
In his famous Facsimile 2, an Egyptian papyrus which Joseph
Smith translated, the Mormon prophet reveals several other Mormon celestial
objects. Amongst them are the planet
Oliblish and the planet Enish - go - on - dosh. As your quote later states Enish-go-on-dosh
is not a planet but our sun. Mormons
believe that a man from Kolob, and his wives, are entitled to four annual
(Kolobian years) space trips to visit the Temple of Fertility on the
planet Kolob travel to Oliblish, providing he "maintaineth righteousness
in all things". No
we do not believe this. I have never been taught such a thing and I
have no idea where you got such an idea.
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Facsimile 1, Facsimile 2, Facsimile 3 and Facsimile B are stored in the Mormon church's
archives and can be made available to qualified researchers. An alternate
(and wrong) translation of Facsimile 2. by modern Egyptologists is here.
Facsimile 1 was used by smith as source of the Holy Mormon scripture, The Book of Abraham. In it -- as far as it has been
translated correctly -- we find the true reason of why we believe that who are the WE that you keep
referring to. And what about the Book of Abraham makes you think that
Black people are inferior? It tells us that they are blessed with wisdom.
That does not sound like inferiority to me. Black people are inferior.
The Mormon Tabernacle
Choir
One cornerstone
of our faith is space travel The
cornerstone of the Mormon religion is the Book of Mormon NOT space travel.
Although once again you use the term OUR so maybe you are just saying
that the Cornerstone of YOUR faith is Space Travel. If this is the
case you should definitely clarify this to the reader. . Sometimes we take solo flights,
and sometimes we cruise supraluminously, en masse. Here on earth we
often remind each other of this in church, by joining in song. Does you church sing If You
Could Hie To Kolob also? Mormons sing it but the IF in the title is
the important thing here. We (Mormons) do not believe that we can travel
to Kolob. Here is
the Mormon Tabernacle Choir's rendition of "If You Could Hie*To
Kolob".
* definition: hie,
hied, hie·ing or hy·ing, hies. To go quickly; hasten. [Middle English
hien, from Old English higian, to strive, exert oneself.]
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Not all Mormons are
astronauts
We believe that
almost everyone from Earth once lived in outer space -- but there are
rare exceptions. Three people who lived a long long time ago -- never
died. They trek our planet doing good deeds to Mormons who are worthy.
It's all proven in the Book of Mormon, 3-Nephi 28.
If you are making reference
to the Three Nephities than you are correct in saying that they are
not astronauts. Of course neither are the majority of people on the
earth. Only those who are given that title by NASA qualify for it.
Also the Three Nephites where not Mormons. They were simply members
of The Church of Jesus Christ. The “Mormon Church” The Church of Jesus
Christ OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS was not even around yet. This is
the new
name given to the restored version of the same church.
The Liahona
The Heavenly
Father gave early Mormons Wrong
again the Liahona was given to Lehi, Nephi’s father, this was around
600B.C., not to the early Mormons.
[sic - Ed.]
a device which was useful in navigation on the surface of planet earth
as well as in outer space I
haven’t heard anything about it being used in outer space.. It was used much like the present-day
Geographical Positioning Satellite (GPS) system. It is called the Liahona and looks like this:
It is called the Liahona
and looks like this:
Today, it is stored deep within
a mountain vault in Little Cottonwood Canyon near Salt Lake City, Utah,
USA HA HA HA very
funny. As far as I know The Liahona has not been seen since before
the birth of Christ. Whether it was taken back up into heaven or simply
remains a lost artifact I don’t know. .
(This is also where the church stores valuable genealogical records
-- of almost every person on earth)
Try again we actually store our genealogical records on a computer that
too the best of my knowledge resides in Salt Lake City.
Mormon holy texts reveal -- as far as they were translated correctly -- that our universe is inhabited by many alien space civilizations, each of which is governed by a resurrected Mormon male who has proven himself worthy of being a God for one or more planets. Which Mormon Holy texts say this. And why don’t I know about them?
Polytheism
Because we believe
that trillions gods exist, (WE
don’t know how many God’s exist, nor do we care) Mormonism
is a polytheistic religion Not
true we only worship ONE god and thus we are Monotheistic.. Nevertheless, we only worship
one god, our Heavenly Father. But we do also revere Mother Gonhorra. Who is Mother Gonhorra and were
did you get this from? I don’t know of any Mormons who revere Mother
Gonhorra. Moreover,
we do pray in the name of our Jesus-Jehovah twinity What
is twinity? . Of
course we despise Beelzebub, the devil. Other than these we really have
no deities. We make little or no use of the Virgin Mary who lives with
Moses near a city named Kli - tin - ur - gash, on Kolob thank you for this information.
I Think it should be shared with the Mormon people b/c we didn’t know
that. Don’t represent your rubbish as something that is preached by
my church. Joseph,
scripture reveals, has remarried one-hundred-and- one fold. He is the
priest and administrator of The temple on planet Oliblish Another interesting tidbit of
bull. If you gave references to even half of your statements you might
sound like you had any clue what you are talking about..
The Gods
Mormon scholars
are in disagreement about whether the gods are arranged in a hierarchical
order, with Kolob's Jehovah at the top, or whether all gods are equal
and can do as they please, in their respective spheres of influence. What Mormon scholars are trying
to figure this out?
Some Mormon Thinkers maintain that Yahweh, the god of earthlings is the main god, who governs all other gods in the universe. Strict adherents to Mormon Thought point to the first commandment, which, while admitting that other gods exists, admonishes us that Jehovah is superior to all other gods.
The Doctrine of Free
Agency
Liberal Mormon
scholars believe that all gods are equal and can rule however they please.
They cite the Mormon Doctrine of Free Agency to support their claim.
After all, they argue, if Gods cannot do as they please, they would
have no free agency, and thus could not be all powerful. This thesis
seems to be the most accepted one at present. It's a difficult conundrum
that Mormonism faces, in the absence of clear hieroglyphics on this
topic.
Not
doctrinal so I see no need to include it in your sight. You are simply
stating what you think some Mormons believe.
One question presents
itself
Which god's rules
should a prudent space traveler obey, if traveling from the dominion
of one god to the region of influence of another god? For example, it's
just possible that some gods would allow, perhaps require, the drinking
of coffee or wine, as a holy sacrament. At the same time this god might
prohibit polygamy, the use of secret hand-clasps, and the wearing of
special underwear -- all very Mormon activities. What would a good Mormon
from Planet Earth (or Kolob) do in this case? This
only concerns those Few Mormons who actually work for NASA. And they
are only affected if they somehow manage to infringe on the realm of
some other God who may or may not exist and in my opinion travelling
between one God’s creations and another God’s creations is impossible.
Monogamy
Monogamy is a
much fairer proposition for beings with X-Y chromosomes. Like all mammals,
humans have an equal chance of inheriting the X-girl and the Y-boy chromosome.
That's why the number of males and females on Earth is roughly equal.
Monogamy gives one spouse to everyone -- few males can hoard a harem of thousands. But it's no so on Kolob. On God's home planet millions of lonely, excess males reach daily to onanistic auto-eroticism. This entire section needs to be deleted b/c it has no facts whatsoever in it and is simply your speculation.
Drinking
Mormons are not
allowed to drink hot drinks and alcohol. Nor are they allowed to eat
meat, except during inclement weather ("Word
of Wisdom").
Little publicized Mormon Scripture reveals, as far as it has been translated
correctly, that our god Yahweh at one time toyed with the idea of letting
earthlings drink coffee.
Where can I get my hands on this “little publicized scripture”? Yahweh made the coffee plant,
after all. It has been cultivated near the Red Sea since about AD 675.
And it's a fact that caffeine is one of the most benign drugs known
to man. "Recent findings, that alcohol in -- moderation -- is
actually good for one, are to be ignored," said
LaTreena Peoria, LDS spokesperson, in 1991, in response to new
scientific evidence. "If spirits were good for the spirit, God
would have revealed this a long time ago.
Drinking Alcohol
Passed December 12, 1843. |
Space Travel, continued...
So, what would the
prudent space traveler do, for example, when entering the domain of
an alien god? Should he or she leave behind the mores of their former
existence and adopt the new values? Should one steadfastly cling to
the values of the old religion, and hope that the new God would be understanding,
and make an exception? Should a space alien, upon entering our solar
system, learn and accept Jehovah's commandments, and reject that good
old-time religion taught on the home planet?
Still your own personal
speculation and with absolutely no factual base. The church doesn’t
even teach that space travel, outside the realm of NASA and similar
programs, is possible.
Crystal Spheres
It is problems
such as this which has lead Mormon scholars to recognize the only solution
to this paradox: Space travel is impossible! Especially, when
god-dominions are to be crossed.
Mormon intellectuals maintain that there are invisible crystal spheres surrounding stars, What Mormon Intellectuals? which act as a barrier to space travel. It's true, the barriers are invisible, because when we look at stars we can look right through the intervening crystal spheres!
In fact, our Mormon scripture, the Doctrine of Covenants, teaches us that he idea of crystal spheres transubstantiates, yeah, even onto the planet KOLOB, from whence we all came - - and to which we strive to return.
The scriptures tell us that the planet KOLOB is entirely made of glass! And the streets are made of gold. Where do the scriptures say this? This is another lie.
But we know by Faith and Scripture that the barriers are there. Even with the unaided eye, one can see galaxies and nebulae billions of light years distant, objects that are much further away than the planet Kolob! No doubt the Voyager space probe will soon bump up against the boundary for Jehovah's realm. It is then that we may finally know the face of God, and the persona of his #1 wife, Mother Gonhorra.
Pay lay ale! These things I say in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
I'm pleased when people challenge you to post their comments and you do. I was once like this guy in many respects. He caught you in a few of your inventions. Nevertheless, some replies you might consider are the following:
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Yes, I am interested
in your corrections and I have posted them, en toto, thank you.
However, simply gainsaying, ("Not true again") won't do it. Please give
'positive reasons'; don't just say it ain't so.
Also, arguments from
ignorance won't work. Simply saying you are ignorant about something won't
be accepted as a reason for anything. The ways that you have said that you
are ignorant includes phrases like "As far as I know..., I could be wrong
but I believe..., too (sic) the best of my knowledge..., and why don’t I
know about..., we don’t know how many God’s exist, nor do we care..." |
Footnote:
* Kakistocra, the star, was named
after one of Elohim's favorite wives who died in childbirth in 1877,
on Kolob What are
you talking about. This woman is a figment of your imagination and
you are for some reason representing her existence as doctrine of the
church. If she did exist and was the wife of God then she couldn’t
die in childbirth because she would be an immortal just like God. . This is Stardate 6.66 by Kolobian
reckoning. Kolobians set Stardate 1 as the time when Elohim made his
first Planet, the earth. Once
again you are making stuff up. One
thousand earth years equals exactly one year on Kolob, as is revealed
by our Mormon scriptures.
I could be wrong but I believe that 1000 years is actually one day not
1 year, check the reference on this one and follow what it says.
After Kakistocra's listing by its scientific number and RA/DEC coordinates in the BYU discovery paper, The Mormon astronomers at BYU might have named it according to its number, Moody 95. However, in honor of the 100th anniversary of Mother Kakistocra's passing this star was named in her eternal memory. Don’t just make up blatant lies. During her reign, she had given birth birth to 62,055 healthy, perfect children including over 3500 twins, 1897 triplets, 987 quadruplets through septuplets, In addition the precious vessel, our holy Mother Kakistocra produced higher orders of baby-tuples including three sets of 24-tuple siblings. And where did you get these numbers? On Kolob, the gestation period is only about 90 days. Sure it is. Births on Kolob yield almost all females. This is mandatory so that polygamy can be practiced by all males. Mandatory huh. Does that mean that they aren’t allowed to have mostly men? How can something that is uncontrollable be mandatory?
After her death, Mother Kakistocra's spirit traveled to the spirit world of the LDS High Order Universe (HOU, see knows as Hou-ku-kau-beam) Not true again. Since her reincarnation Mormons don’t even believe in reincarnation, she lives as a peasant girl on the planet Nemesisi in HOU, in order to become a precious goddess vessel yet again by proving her worthiness to Elo-hou. Elohu is Elohim's God) I doubt this.